26/8/14

Προκαλεί με δηλώσεις υπέρ της έκτρωσης εμβρύων με Σύνδρομο Down..“abort it and try again”

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Διχάζει και πάλι με τις δηλώσεις του για την έκτρωση εμβρύων με Σύνδρομο Down ο βρετανός εξελικτικός βιολόγος και συγγραφέας Ρίτσαρντ Ντόκινς.



Συμμετέχοντας σε μία διαδικτυακή συζήτηση στο twitter προέτρεψε μία γυναίκα σε περίπτωση που κυοφορούσε ένα έμβρυο με Σύνδρομο Down, «να κάνει έκτρωση και να προσπαθήσει ξανά, γιατί θα ήταν ανήθικο να το φέρει στον κόσμο».
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Δεν είναι η πρώτη φορά που ο Ντόκινς προβαίνει σε αμφιλεγόμενες δηλώσεις, καθώς στο παρελθόν είχε διχάσει και πάλι την κοινή γνώμη με τις απόψεις του περί διαφορετικών βαθμών βιασμού λέγοντας: «Ο βιασμός εντός της σχέσης είναι κακός, αλλά ο βιασμός από έναν ξένο με την απειλή μαχαιριού είναι χειρότερος».
Η πρόσφατη επίμαχη συζήτηση στο twitter ξεκίνησε με αφορμή τα τελευταία γεγονότα στην Ιρλανδία, όπου οι αρχές ανάγκασαν μία γυναίκα θύμα βιασμού με αυτοκτονικές τάσεις να φέρει στον κόσμο το παιδί της παρά τη θέλησή της.

Ο Ντόκινς συνομιλούσε με άλλους χρήστες σε χαμηλούς τόνους, τονίζοντας αρχικά τη δεινή θέση των γυναικών στην Ιρλανδία, όπου οι αμβλώσεις είναι παράνομες.

«Η Ιρλανδία είναι μια πολιτισμένη χώρα, εκτός από αυτό το συγκεκριμένο θέμα. Θαρρείς και η Ρωμαιοκαθολική Εκκλησία θα είχε χάσει κάθε επιρροή», σχολίασε ο ίδιος παραπέμποντας σε ένα σχετικό δημοσίευμα.

Ωστόσο, στη συνέχεια η συζήτηση πήρε νέα τροπή και οι ηθικές του αξίες δεν άργησαν να έρθουν και πάλι στην επιφάνεια.

Κάποιος χρήστης έσπευσε να τον ρωτήσει εάν θεωρεί πολιτισμένη τη δολοφονία 994 ανθρώπων με Σύνδρομο Down πριν ακόμα γεννηθούν, σύμφωνα με στοιχεία του 2012 για την Αγγλία και την Ουαλία.
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Η απάντηση του 73χρονου φιλοσόφου, γνωστού και για τις απόψεις του υπέρ του αθεϊσμού, ήταν ότι τη θεωρεί πολύ πολιτισμένη, «καθώς η άμβλωση γίνεται σε έμβρυα, χωρίς ανθρώπινα συναισθήματα».
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Όταν μια άλλη γυναίκα εξέφρασε το τεράστιο ηθικό δίλημμα που θα αντιμετώπιζε σε περίπτωση που κυοφορούσε έμβρυο με Σύνδρομο Down, έλαβε την επίμαχη απάντηση του Ντόκινς ότι η γέννηση ενός παιδιού με τέτοιο σύνδρομο θα ήταν ανήθικη

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Why Richard Dawkins’ “abort it and try again” comments about Down’s syndrome babies are so harmful 

 

Parents receiving a pre-natal diagnosis of Down’s syndrome are faced with an awful dilemma and need our care and support. They do not need pseudo-morality and outdated stereotypes.

Another day, another hurtful Professor Dawkins tweet with the tact of an online troll.
In response to a lady asking about aborting a foetus if it was screened to have Down’s, he replied:
“Suffering should be avoided. Cause no suffering. Reduce suffering wherever you can”, which does has a superficial appeal until you realise that the logical extension is – have no kids; breed no more.
Another tweet, sparking so much anger and anguish among parents of those with Down’s said, “Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have a choice.”
Immoral? Why? With so many people with Down’s syndrome living joy-filled lives, denying them life would surely not be saving them from suffering, it would be denying them what each of us seeks.
Yet this story is not about abortion, or at least it doesn’t have to be. It’s about “difference” and our artificially constructed perception of what is “perfect”.
If you are born with Down’s syndrome, you are considered by many to be “different” or “imperfect”. Yet these supposedly “less than perfect” people are just like the rest of us: they work (yes, they do), they play, they make friends, they cry, they get depressed, they laugh and they joke.
They may look different, they may learn at a slower pace and they may live slightly shorter lives, so what?
If I was to compare myself to Usain Bolt, does the fact that I could never run 100m in 10 seconds make me somehow “imperfect”?
Down’s syndrome does not follow a single pattern. Although some face very difficult and challenging times, many others lead lives filled with joy and laughter. Most children with Down’s go to mainstream schools, are capable of work in some form and are some of the happiest, most life-enhancing people I know.
If you don’t believe me, then a little net surfing should convince you. The first stop is Albuquerque, New Mexico and the restaurant owned by Tim Harris, who just happens to have Down’s syndrome but serves breakfast and lunch with hugs. This video is a must-watch if you want to see how much joy those with Down’s experience and how much they bring to others.
The second is an article in our local paper featuring one of the students from the charity I work for, Action For Kids. Hisba Brimah is a young woman with Down’s syndrome. She works hard, has always wanted to achieve and has done so with a smile on her face.
What she told the local paper says it all, “My job and the people I work with make me happy and joyful.” And since then she has started a paid job – real work for real money. Is that any “different” from you and me?
I don’t know where Dawkins gets his views of disability but it feels like he has watched the film Rain Man too many times.
Then, in one of his more bizarre intellectual contortions, Dawkins asserted a non-existent “difference” between people on the autistic spectrum and those with Down’s syndrome.
For a man so fond of reason, it is rather dubious to suggest that, “People on the spectrum have a great deal to contribute, maybe even an enhanced ability in some respects. [People with Down’s Syndrome are] … not enhanced”.
I would be the first to argue that most people on the autistic spectrum have a great deal to offer – far more than society will allow them to give. Yet, for some, autism cannot, in any way, be described as “enhancing”.
Their families go through hell just to provide them with a loving, caring home through a lifetime filled with aggression and intense frustration at not being able to engage with the world.
Contrast that with the fulfilled lives lived by so many people with Down’s syndrome.
Through all of this, I am left wondering whatever happened to the old, iconoclastic Dawkins who made a virtue of standing up for the unpopular, the unfashionable? Now he justifies himself by tweeting “Apparently I’m a horrid monster for recommending what actually happens to the great majority of Down syndrome foetuses. They are aborted.”
The same argument was used 225 years ago to justify slavery. It would be funny if it wasn’t so tragic.
The Dawkins’ thesis appears to be based on the assumption that having Down’s syndrome is always so unutterably awful that it merits a future person being automatically deleted from the future of the human race. Yet that just does not reflect the facts.
Parents receiving a pre-natal diagnosis of Down’s syndrome are faced with an awful dilemma and need our care and support. They do not need bullying with pseudo-morality, pseudo-philosophy and outdated stereotypes.
Lots of parents take the decision to keep their baby and live to reap the rewards. Have another look at Tim’s video and tell me if Dawkins is right.
Update: 22 August, 6pm
Richard Dawkins has published a fuller version of his remarks on his website, in which he explains his position at greater length, and says he regrets “using abbreviated phraseology which caused so much upset”.
New Statesman